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I got in a heated argument over the following case, in which I created a scenario below to have clarifications on the Look Out Sir rule.

Let's say you've got a squad made up of:

  • 1 Space Marine (Unit Type: Infantry)
  • 1 Space Marine Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry + Character)
  • 1 Company Master (Unit Type: Infantry + Independent Character)
  • 1 Librarian (Unit Type: Infantry + Independent Character)

On page 39 of the rulebook it says "Independent Characters pass look Out, Sir rolls on a 2+ (see page l6)."

My understanding of the rules, page 16 & 39, is that the 2+ roll is allowed only when an independent character is the one trying to save any other type character:

  • The SM takes the hit, no LOS save possible. (This is pretty clear in the rules, just stating the case in order to state all possibilities)
    • The Sergeant takes the hit, the SM can try to save him on 4+.
    • The Sergeant takes the hit, the Company Master can try to save him on 4+.
    • The Sergeant takes the hit, the Librarian can try to save him on 2+.
    • The Company Master takes the hit, the SM can try to save him on 4+.
    • The Company Master takes the hit, the Sergeant can try to save him on 4+.
    • The Company Master takes the hit, the Librarian can try to save him on 2+.

Am I right in all the cases above?

My friend states that the 2+ roll is made when any model tries to save the independent character, which would make his understanding of the rules as such:

  • The SM takes the hit, no LOS save possible. (no change)
  • The Sergeant takes the hit, anyone can try to save him on 4+.
  • The Company Master takes the hit, anyone can try to save him on 2+.

Who's right, who's wrong, are we both wrong somewhere?

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Your friend is right. The model taking the wound makes the role, not the model 'saving' him.

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+1 I've always seen it played this way in person and in battle reports. Although it's not explicitly stated in the rules (as is so often the case with this rulebook), "This represents the character ducking back further into the unit, holding a comrade in the line of fire,or being pushed aside by a selfless ally." implies that it is the model taking the wound that makes the roll. –  Timothy Jones Nov 3 '13 at 22:25
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It's worth noting that a successful look out sir doesn't mean the wound is "saved", just that someone else takes the wound. Of course, the newly wounded model can try to save the wound with their armour or invulnerable save. –  Timothy Jones Nov 3 '13 at 22:27
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I've seen people quote that line from the book in this argument but everyone seems to dismiss the fact that the third example in it is "...being pushed aside by a selfless ally" which appears to contradict the reasoning used to bring this to the table as evidence. IMHO, reading that line does not support the argument one way or the other and in fact only furthers the confusion, n'est pas? –  thanby Apr 3 at 12:07
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