When does the Collapsed Ceiling deal damage?

In the Pathfinder Adventure Card Game, the `Collapsed Ceiling` barrier card says in part:

``````If you fail the check to defeat by 4 or more, you are
dealt 1 Combat damage that may not be reduced.
``````

The check to defeat is 8. Does the ceiling do damage if my check total is less than 12 or if it's less than 4?

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Neither. The ceiling does damage if your check total is 4 or less.

...
check total = 3: Failed by 5 (failed by 4 or more): Failed with damage
check total = 4: Failed by 4 (failed by 4 or more): Failed with damage
check total = 5: Failed by 3 (failed by less than 4): Failed without damage
check total = 6: Failed by 2 (failed by less than 4): Failed without damage
check total = 7: Failed by 1 (failed by less than 4): Failed without damage
check total = 8: Passed the check
check total = 9: Passed the check
check total = 10: Passed the check
check total = 11: Passed the check
check total = 12: Passed the check[1]
...

Guessing from the little I know of the card, you're trying to dig your way through a room with a collapsed ceiling.

• If you roll 8 or more, you succeeded.
• If you roll 5, 6 or 7, you didn't make it through yet.
• If you roll 4 or less, you didn't make it through yet, and you hurt yourself in the process (dropped a rock on your foot, stabbed yourself on a piece of rebar, pulled a muscle, etc).

1. If your total is 12, you didn't fail the check, by 4 or by any other amount.
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Bingo. +1 for chart. – generalcrispy May 16 '14 at 14:15
The Collapsed Ceiling barrier, if you fail the check, stays on top of the location check until you or another player who moves into the location can pass the check. – generalcrispy May 16 '14 at 18:54
This is as I argued, but my spouse wouldn't believe me without another opinion. – Argyle May 16 '14 at 19:27
@Argyle, It can't possibly be less than 12 for the reason given in the footnote. Love your avatar :D – ikegami May 16 '14 at 19:37