When land becomes creature can you kill it?

Question

Some lands have an ability to become a creature, but they usually say they are still a land. If a land is a 3/3 creature, and a land, can you target and kill it with a Lightning Bolt to send it to the graveyard, or does it remain in play as a land?

Answer 1

From the Magic Comprehensive Rules (oops big edits. I accidentally googled old version of the rules. These rules are effective as of May 1, 2011):

119. Damage

119.1. Objects can deal damage to creatures, planeswalkers, and players. This is generally detrimental to the object or player that receives that damage. An object that deals damage is the source of that damage.

119.6. Damage marked on a creature remains until the cleanup step, even if that permanent stops being a creature. If the total damage marked on a creature is greater than or equal to its toughness, that creature has been dealt lethal damage and is destroyed as a state-based action (see rule 704). All damage marked on a permanent is removed when it regenerates (see rule 701.11, "Regenerate") and during the cleanup step (see rule 514.2).

For absolute clarity, here is part of the rules on "State-Based Actions"

704.3. Whenever a player would get priority (see rule 116, "Timing and Priority"), the game checks for any of the listed conditions for state-based actions, then performs all applicable state-based actions simultaneously as a single event. If any state-based actions are performed as a result of a check, the check is repeated; otherwise all triggered abilities that are waiting to be put on the stack are put on the stack, then the check is repeated. Once no more state-based actions have been performed as the result of a check and no triggered abilities are waiting to be put on the stack, the appropriate player gets priority. This process also occurs during the cleanup step (see rule 514), except that if no state-based actions are performed as the result of the step's first check and no triggered abilities are waiting to be put on the stack, then no player gets priority and the step ends.

So the sequence goes like this.

1. You cast Thunderbolt (when you have priority), spell goes on the stack.
2. You have priority. If you pass:
3. Opponent has priority. If they pass:*
4. Thunderbolt resolves. Three damage is applied to land creature.
5. If it's your turn, you have priority, if it's opponent's turn he/she does. Regardless. WHOOP WHOOP game checks for state based effects first.
6. State based effect: damage on land creature >= toughness. It is destroyed.

You certainly can "kill" a land, but "kill" is not the proper Magic term. Over the years Magic has become very specific about the terms used to describe cards, abilities and effects just to avoid "intuitive" confusion like this (how can you kill a land???) The term your friend was looking for was:

701.6. Destroy

701.6a To destroy a permanent, move it from the battlefield to its owner's graveyard.

There are plenty of magic cards which have the words destroy target land in the rules text.

Answer 2

The consensus here is that land-creatures that are dealt fatal damage go to the graveyard, just like any other creature. That's the way we've always played it among my friends, and this seems to be what that "turn all lands into 2/2 creatures" card is for -- that and a couple general-damage spells can really hurt.

Answer 3

There are some cards in the game which specifically state to target a nonland card. That's what the phrase "it's still a land" for. However, it's also a creature.

So:

• It can be targeted by "target creature", "target land" cards. It can't be targeted by "non-creature", "non-land" target cards.
• It has all characteristics of a creature(can die, has P/T, affected by summoning sickness)
• It has all characteristics of a land

Answer 4

Yes. There's no reason why a land creature shouldn't be destroyed by any of the various ways that destroy creatures. Being a land doesn't confer some kind of special immunity on creatures.

Of course, you can't normally destroy a land with a Lightning Bolt, but that's only because you can't target a land with a Lightning Bolt, and even if you did, it wouldn't have a toughness score to make sense of the damage assigned to it. Suppose someone targeted your land creature with a Bolt, and in response you removed the effect that was turning your land into a creature (by Disenchanting Living Lands, perhaps). At this point the land is once again an illegal target for the Bolt, so the burn spell would be countered by game rules and your land would be safe!

Bonus Answer: Of course, every rule in Magic has its exceptions. If you want your creature land to survive taking lethal damage from a Lightning Bolt, you can always play Consecrate Land on it!

Answer 5

I think it may depend on the effect and the version. For example, if you look at Living Lands, the ruling is right there on the card:

Treat all forests in play as 1/1 creatures. Now they can be killed, enchanted, and so forth, and they can be tapped either for mana or to attack. The living lands have no color; they are not considered green cards.

Creeping Tar Pit, on the other hand, has the wording that you heard:

... Until end of turn, Creeping Tar Pit becomes a 3/2 blue and black Elemental creature and is unblockable. It's still a land.

Now, I'm not up on current rules, but to me, the key is to take that last sentence in context. This is what I see:

• becomes a creature
• is a land

I believe that "becomes a creature" indicates that it can be targeted by effects that affect creatures, and that "is a land" indicates that it can also be targeted by effects that affect lands. (In other words, it isn't converted into a creature; it is a land and also a creature.)