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What are viable strategies for trying to win Shadows over Camelot? Our group always seems to lose when we play. :(

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There are different ways to lose. If you enhance the question with how you tend to lose we can be more specific. –  Neal Tibrewala Jan 21 '12 at 22:54
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Shadows Over Camelot is actually unbalanced towards the Knights winning. In fact, the base game has even been solved (guaranteed victory) when playing with 7 players. The key to that victory lies in the special white cards. Since they're reshuffled (both decks are reshuffled when you reshuffle one) when you run out of cards, what the Knights should do is keep their hands mostly full as often as possible, thus they can quickly cycle Merlin cards and other whites, instead of 'saving' them.

Therefore, when starting the game, everyone should spend time drawing up white cards at Camelot, until they reach their limit of 12. Only then should someone go questing. The only exception to this is Lancelot's armor. The first knight who has a full house should immediately go claim the armor, as it's the most powerful tool for white victory in the game.

Because of this strategy, the most important Knight roles are King Arthur (for passing cards) and Sir Galahad (for playing the special whites for free). In general, Arthur gives the specials to Galahad, then he stays at Camelot drawing them and playing them (Merlins included).

Remember, this is a race against time, so movement is the enemy. Every time you move to a quest, you should lose a life to perform the quest's heroic action.

Now that bad blacks, life (through piety), cards, and even redrawing (through convocation) are dealt with, all that remains is how to complete quests.

As I said, the Armor is the most important. Get that quickly. Ignore the Dragon, for the most part. When fighting Picts and Saxons, your goal should be to complete the quest with 2 or 3 picts/saxons on the board, since then, effectively, those would have been 'wasted' black cards (i.e. don't be too safe and not put any mercenaries on the one you're working on, and, of course, don't lose the quest). Try to keep the Grail and the Sword, JUST SHORT of victory, until the armor is attained. If you complete these quests too early, you'll just be adding catepults. While this is happening, always take black cards, as they're the easiest. Cats are much more expensive to deal with.

Once you've gotten the armor, and defeated a pict/saxon or two, then gang up to get the sword, draw back up on grails, and then gang up to finish the grail. Since black cannot 'gang-up' on a quest, you're sure to have victory with the overwhelming numbers. You do the Grail last (hopefully with a Heroism card on it), and get 4 white swords for it. (Heroism is key to winning as well). The traitor won't matter, since even flipping two won't affect the outcome. Don't waste time on accusations. The first person to accuse will be the traitor, so if he accuses, accuse him back and it's dealt with.

Late in the game (during the gang-up phase). Use life points and cats to avoid drawing the black cards.

In terms of special blacks, most aren't that bad. The ones to really worry about (i.e. use 3 merlins to stop) are Mists of Avalon (always), Vivian (always), and Dark Forest (if the grail is in danger of being lost, only).

Here's how a typical game might go:

  1. Lancelot's Armor obtained (+ Heroism) 2 white swords.
  2. Saxon's defeated (3 white total)
  3. Picts lost (3 white 1 black)
  4. Black knight lost (3 white 2 black)
  5. Excalibur Claimed (+Heroism) (6 white 2 black)
  6. Dragon Lost (6 white, 4 black)
  7. Grail Found (+Heroism) (10 white 4 black)

Traitor unrevealed (8 white 6 black)

White Victory.

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Great answer. Could you give a source for the game being solved? Thank you! –  RoToRa Jan 23 '12 at 15:12
    
I tried to find it on BGG, but I failed. I believe it was in the strategy/files download section (instead of the forum). If anyone finds it, please link it. It was quite interesting, involving drawing up all the cards, adding catapults to be able to accuse, accusing around the table, and keeping piety going so no one ever had to draw a black card. –  Neal Tibrewala Jan 23 '12 at 16:37
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  1. Spend the entire 2 starting rounds drawing cards at Camelot. This gives you a better idea of which quests you have a good chance of winning and which you need to move towards right away to keep from losing. Otherwise you're just moving around blind without having enough of the right cards for a specific quest. When I play I actually deal out 10 cards to each player and then have each of us perform 2 evil actions right from the start, so this happens automatically and saves time (players can choose to do otherwise if they wish though).

  2. In accordance with the first point, movement is your enemy because it in itself doesn't do anything to help you win. Sure it gets you closer to somewhere you might need to be, but the movement itself is not beneficial. Avoid moving somewhere unless you know you're either going to be able to win the quest quickly and decisively, or plan to spend at least 3 turns there actually doing useful things (playing cards).

  3. Prioritize. If there are already 3 relatively high black cards on the black-knight quest, you can probably consider just giving up and losing it so you can spend time winning other things (like that d*mn holy grail...). Likewise, if you're really close to winning a certain quest, consider burning a life or having another player move there and help you win before something bad can happen.

  4. Know when to use Merlins. I tend to not use them to remove catapults as their other 2 uses are usually better. Removing a standard black card from a quest can buy you the time you need to win, and being able to cancel a really bad black card without having to use any heroic actions is invaluable. Try to save them for when you need is strongest though, like when you're about to lose something a really critical quest.

  5. Know how to use the special powers. King Arthur's ability is invaluable for getting the right cards to the right people and many of the others are equally valuable. I won't go into detail about each one, but try to take advantage of them as much as possible.

  6. Cooperate as much as possible without giving any one player enough power to lose the game for you if they are the traitor. The advantage of coordination is well worth the downside of confiding your plans to the traitor, and as long as you don't let one player take 3+ merlins from winning a quest (or similarly give them too much power) you should should okay.

  7. Prefer to draw a black card for evil actions unless you have a good reason not to, like being 1 card away from losing a question you are also very close to winning. This makes sure you can place catapults and burn life when you really need to avoid pulling a black card that might lose you the game.

See here for advice on how to play if you're the traitor!

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