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If a creature has a P/T of *** / ***, but is not the battlefield, What is it's P/T with regards to effects that care about P/T such as Wild Pair and Varolz, the Scar-Striped.

If I used Varolz, the Scar-Striped to scavenge a Boneyard Wurm, and I have X creatures in my graveyard, do I get 0 counters or do I get X counters?

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  • You should accept Collin's answer. PS this also works with Tarmagoyf.
    – wesdfgfgd
    May 7, 2013 at 20:17

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It depends on the card in question. If it can't be determined use 0.

208.2a The card may have a characteristic-defining ability that sets its power and/or toughness according to some stated condition. (See rule 604.3.) Such an ability is worded "[This creature's] [power or toughness] is equal to . . ." or "[This creature's] power and toughness are each equal to . . ." This ability functions everywhere, even outside the game. If the ability needs to use a number that can't be determined, including inside a calculation, use 0 instead of that number. Example: Lost Order of Jarkeld has power and toughness each equal to 1+*. It has the abilities "As Lost Order of Jarkeld enters the battlefield, choose an opponent" and "Lost Order of Jarkeld's power and toughness are each equal to 1 plus the number of creatures the chosen player controls." While Lost Order of Jarkeld isn't on the battlefield, there won't be a chosen player. Its power and toughness will each be equal to 1 plus 0, so it's 1/1.

When you scavenge Boneyard Wurm you will get a number of +1/+1 counters equal the number of creatures in your graveyard before Boneyard Wurm is exiled. (A ruling on Varolz, the Scar-Striped reads: The number of counters that a card’s scavenge ability puts on a creature is based on the card’s power as it last existed in the graveyard.)

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  • Correct and concisely. Perfect :)
    – ikegami
    May 7, 2013 at 20:55
  • I would highlight the "after", just to make it super clear that the boneyard wurm doesnt count.
    – Patters
    May 8, 2013 at 8:45
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    @Rawrgramming actually, that part is wrong: Boneyard Wurm will count itself in the graveyard. The fourth ruling on Varolz, the Scar-Striped says: The number of counters that a card’s scavenge ability puts on a creature is based on the card’s power as it last existed in the graveyard.
    – Pablo
    May 8, 2013 at 19:34
  • @Pablo Thanks for pointing that out.
    – Colin D
    May 9, 2013 at 11:54

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