Having read When does Heroic trigger? I think the answer is yes, but I'd just like to double check:

I have Akroan Crusader and I cast Nyxborn Rollicker for its bestow cost so my stack looks like (LIFO):

  • heroic trigger (token creature)
  • Rollicker

My opponent then casts Disperse on my crusader:

  • Disperse targeting crusader
  • heroic trigger (token creature)
  • Rollicker

That's the final play, so after the stack resolves the creatures I should have are a 1/1 red soldier with haste (token) and a Nyxborn Rollicker. Is that correct?

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    Abilities on the stack exist independently of their source. If information about its source is required and the source no longer exists, use last known information (LKI).
    – ikegami
    Commented Aug 19, 2014 at 11:10

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Yes. Abilities still resolve if the creature that created them is gone*, or cards like Torch Fiend would be a little bit useless. This is because of the following rule:

112.7a Once activated or triggered, an ability exists on the stack independently of its source. Destruction or removal of the source after that time won’t affect the ability. [...]

So in this case: your Akroan Crusader gets targeted by a spell, and puts a triggered ability on the stack. Even if the Crusader goes away, the ability still resolves. Then your Nyxborn Rollicker enters the battlefield as a creature instead, since its target is gone.

* Other stuff can make it fail to resolve, such as if the ability has targets and all its targets are now illegal - see rule 608.2b. But the originating creature dying won't do anything to prevent the ability from resolving.

  • Good point about the Torch Fiend. I hadn't thought about it that way.
    – Matt Ellen
    Commented Aug 19, 2014 at 8:28
  • You might want to add that the ability still resolves if it still has legal targets. If it targets the creature it came from, for example, it would not resolve.
    – murgatroid99
    Commented Aug 26, 2014 at 3:48
  • @murgatroid99 added, sound ok? Commented Aug 26, 2014 at 4:06
  • Looks good to me
    – murgatroid99
    Commented Aug 26, 2014 at 4:06
  • I was like "Why should the Rollicker resolve? It will surely fizzle". Then I read up on the Bestow ability and was surprised that it actually works the way you describe. +1
    – M.Herzkamp
    Commented Jun 19, 2017 at 12:27

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