When a player taps the Grindclock ability to pull X cards from a player's library and place them in the graveyard, does the counter reset?

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    This question can basically be answered by "just do what the card says", so some people might see it as a lack of trying.
    – murgatroid99
    Aug 27, 2014 at 15:53
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    It's a poor question because it is uninteresting and poorly considered. What about the ability would remove the counters? Activating an ability? Tapping? Setting X? Targeting? Removing cards from a library? Putting cards in a graveyard? There's absolutely no reason to believe it would remove counters except that someone wants it to do so. Sure, you can ask for confirmation and we'll answer you, but it's still a poor question.
    – ikegami
    Aug 27, 2014 at 16:14
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    Totally unfounded in anything but feelings.
    – ikegami
    Aug 27, 2014 at 16:17
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    @StephenWinburn If you added a good reason for why you think the counters would be lost, I would retract my downvote. "It seems overpowered." is a bad reason. "Cards in general are not what they appear." is also a bad reason. I'm left wondering how you play Magic if you are this cautious of every card.
    – Rainbolt
    Aug 27, 2014 at 16:28
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    I'd suggest moving the discussion of power imbalances to the chat room, because it is only tangentially related to the question. The important question in these comments is what made you expect that the card did not behave as printed. And, relatedly, jwodder's question.
    – murgatroid99
    Aug 27, 2014 at 16:46

2 Answers 2


In MTG, counters are physical markers that are counted, added and removed; they are not abstractions that store a number that can be manipulated. As such, it makes no sense to talk about resetting a counter; you want to know if the counters are removed.

Nothing instructs you to remove the the counters, so you do not remove them. Just like attacking doesn't remove +1/+1 counters, using Grindclock's ability does not remove charge counters.

Things that remove counters.


The counters on Grindclock do not reset. In fact, "Reset" is not a special keyword that means anything to a Magic player. The short answer is that if nothing says to remove counters, they don't get removed. The long answer is that they remain until one of two things happen:

  • An effect removes the counters
  • The object upon which the counters were placed cease to exist

An example of the first bullet is Power Conduit, which has an activated ability that removes counters. Coincidentally, it creates counters that are interchangeable with those generated by Grindclock.

An example of the second bullet would be if I cast Naturalize on your Grindclock. Your Grindclock would be destroyed. Any counters on it cease to exist. This is not the same as "removing" counters.

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    By the way, you mentioned a downvoter earlier... When I vote, I vote on the post's merits. It wasn't me; the small error is not enough to merit a downvote.
    – ikegami
    Aug 27, 2014 at 21:58
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    @Ikegami I think it's fair to say Rainbolt isn't implying that. The question is "Does this card get its counters reset?" This answer says "No it doesn't." It then goes on to say that nothing else does except for when it says so, which is about as general a statement as one would expect. If there's a general implication here that other cards reset their counters, that's accurate, because some other cards do. Except they say so, as this answer goes on to say. Aug 27, 2014 at 22:25
  • @ikegami So do you have a suggestion for improvement, as is the point of.comments? Aug 28, 2014 at 5:38
  • @ikegami Sounds ok. That plus "and there's no such thing as counters resetting" I guess? Aug 28, 2014 at 6:16

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