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Seems like Greyjoy have a massive disadvantage. No special orders, so no mustering. When the cards for possible mustering or bidding on the tracks came up, other players declined those options. So as Greyjoy, I had no possible way of replacing any losses. Whilst my neighbours kept mustering more and more units. Resulting in an inevitable overwhelming attack. Am I missing something?

I know they have an early advantage, the +1 sword and win on combat ties, but this is eclipsed by the fact others can field more, and stronger, units.

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    Remember you can't muster more armies than your supply limit, so if you keep your opponent bottled up they can't use any mustering points. You can also use raid orders to prevent them using the special consolidate power order. If a Westeros Mustering card is drawn then it is resolved, it isn't optional. – Nick Jun 25 '15 at 12:26
  • Maybe we were just unlucky, we got to turn 7 without hitting a Westeros mustering card. I like the idea of repeatedly raiding their castles to prevent mustering, however the person next to Greyjoy gets their turn first, so then can raid my raid by another adjacent order. Trouble with bottling is Greyjoy are already wedged between two opponents, so can't really focus on both. I don't like how Greyjoy start off the weakest, but in a position that makes them an obvious target for 2 opponents. – Coran Jun 26 '15 at 13:22
  • Is a version 1 issue? I'm sure they have special consolidate. – dwjohnston Dec 16 '15 at 21:48
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    to quote all of the cheerleaders in the world, "be aggressive, b e aggressive!" – pandorym Sep 21 '16 at 21:08
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The Greyjoys are a challenging house, and require a really aggressive play style. Out of the 6-player games I've played, the Greyjoys have won the least often, but not by a huge discrepancy, so take hope! There seems to be 2 working strategies, both based on the close relationship the Greyjoys have with the Lannisters.

Lannister Bloodbath

Screw the Lannisters early. With the support ships and larger army you start with, paired with the card that adds +1 to each ship, you're basically guaranteed two early victories over the Lannisters. Use these as best you can, because if you aren't in an advantageous position after that, you've lost. You should move into the Riverlands, stopping the Lannisters from growing early. Keep your ships present to support and harass, which helps stop the Lannisters from recovering. Take the Twins, at this point you should have 3 castles and a good control over the mainland.

Things to Avoid

  1. Harrenhall. The cursed castle is cursed in this game as well. Taking it almost always means you're overstretching, leaves you exposed to Lannister, Stark and Baratheon attacks.
  2. The Starks. They aren't a threat early. Don't waste time and precious momentum moving north, preparing for the Starks, etc.
  3. Relaxing. If you do win the initial push, you need to keep up constant fighting to get your first cards back and finish off the Lannisters with them.

Outcome

After 2 or 3 turns, either you are hopelessly crippled, or the Lannisters are.

Uneasy Alliance

If the thought of essentially being out of the game after turn 2 sounds too risky, strike an alliance with the Lannisters. This is easier to do if the Tyrells are likely to be aggressive, as the Lannisters to not want to be stuck between you two. Give them the riverlands, make sure you keep the twins and your starting castles, and turn your attention North. You have a better claim on whiteshore and those Westernmost castles than the Starks do, use your early strength and sea support to take and keep them. Establish a strong base in the North, then decide whether to take Winterfell, turn to the Eeyrie and center of the Board, or betray the Lannisters.

Things to Avoid

  1. Trusting the Lannisters. Don't attack them early because you need a quiet border, but at some point one of you will break the truce. Accept it and be ready.
  2. Harrenhall. Once again, a cursed castle. Not worth it, it doesn't give the Lannisters anywhere else to go and encourages betrayal. Leaves you open to the Starks, puts you in contact with the Baratheons when you don't really need another front.
  3. Raiding too far south. Sometimes you can encourage the Lannisters to stay faithfull by raiding the Tyrells. But it takes a lot of resources and stretches your navy thin with ultimately very little in it for you. And that sneak attack all the way to Highgarden that nobody expects because ship travel is so OP? Never, ever works.

Outcome

Slower game, expect a slog-fest with the Starks, a lot of back and forth pushing. You probably can't ever knock them out of the game, just contain them. Last few turns will be extremely aggressive and bloody. Pray that the Tyrells and Lannisters stay enemies.

  • Excellent answer, thanks. What I suspected. Relies on some key moves, and a bit of luck, or rather hoping others do/don't do certain things. – Coran Jun 28 '15 at 0:13
  • Yeah, definitely relies on luck/person-reading-skills, depending on what you want to call it. Also, if both the starks and Lannisters hate you, you lose – Cain Jun 30 '15 at 20:00
  • They both did last game. They were a couple, so weren't going to go for each other. I lost very badly :( – Coran Jul 1 '15 at 15:11
  • Yep, not much to do there. Convince Tyrell and Baratheon that that Alliance is a threat, and try to make it a 3 v 2 I guess is all you can do. – Cain Jul 1 '15 at 18:35
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To the contrary. In the games I've played, Greyjoys win about 1/3 of the time. Though, I admit, it is most probably because their aggressive play style makes them more attractive for the experienced players of the group to enroll (given you didn't select houses at random).

Your strengths are:

  • Arguably the strongest cards of all houses
  • You start with the Valyrian Blade
  • You start with two ships
  • The Lanisters don't have good counters
  • Your capitol is almost untouchable

Your weaknesses:

  • You run out of power tokens faster than others
  • You don't have a ★ action

Let me expand:

Arguably the strongest cards of all houses

  • Victarion (3) is ~ win a navy battle
  • Balon (2) is ~ win a battle
  • Theon (2) is actually a (3) and 1 sword when defending a castle. That brings a lot of utility to an otherwise offensive deck. You will often use this when an enemy tries to take back theritory or when push comes to shove after you had a terrible early game for one reason or another.
  • Lots of (1) cards just have 1 sword or 1 fortification icon. Dagmar (1) has both! Asha (1) has +2, +1 if you are not being supported in this combat. This is pretty nice, especially when you go deeper into enemy grounds and run out of other cards. If you win by a hair's breadth (which you might actually pull off early game as you have the Valyrian Blade), your opponent goes from crippled to completely irrelevant. If you lose - at least your units don't die, unless you face an overkill.
  • Aeron (0) is simply amazing. To balance his ability, they had to make it cost 2 power tokens. Which is also one of the reasons why lack of power tokens is your greatest weakness (especially early game). The general use case is - this and a future battle have big ramifications depending on which cards both of you chose. Your opponent has to make the guess, while you get to pick the better option after the fact. Also, it's a hard counter to Lanister's Tyrion (1), which is an otherwise outstanding low level card.
  • Admittedly, Euron (4) is probably the weakest (4) card in the game. But a (4) is still a (4). It's better to have your very strong card just not be incredibly strong than to have a lower end card that is honestly a garbage filler.

You start with the Valyrian Blade

This is one of the things that at the same time enables and forces you to be agressive early on.

  • It enables you by effectively giving you a +1 in all battles and +2 in one battle per turn. Incredibly advantageous when the troop count is low as your armies are often tied.

  • Forces you because while your cards might look imba while holding the Valyrian Blade, things are not that black and white if you don't. The most likely reason to loose it is during bidding. The further turns progress, the greater the chance bidding has occurred and the greater the discrepancy in power tokens grows (most probably not in your favour).

That said, in the event that very early (1st or 2nd turn) bidding takes place, don't panic. It might be beneficial. Other houses don't find the Valyrian Blade that useful. Everyone wants to bid on the Raven track. In my experience, bidding 3 on the Valyrian Blade and 2 one the Raven leaves you still owning the Blade and winning or tying 4th place on the Raven. Getting a ★ command is just perfect for you as it gives you that much more offensive power and its absence is your other big early game disadvantage. That said, you wont be able to use Aeron (0) and following biddings completely screw you over.

The Lanisters don't have good counters

Not entirely true. It's more that you have convincing lead the first battles and then they have the strength to punish you after you lost your more valuable cards/they get more power token advantage. They can almost nullify you if you make blunders.

  • Tywin (4) can be used in initial defense as well as when pushing back due to the fact that he increases the power token difference. Counters are your (4) and (3) cards (this includes Theon (2) when his effect applies). Balon (2) is a hard counter. Aeron (0) as well, assuming you have the power tokens to pay. That means a total of 3-5 of your cards...
  • Ser Gregor (3) (three swords) is usually used in the follow up push back. If Lanister manages to pull him early on and wins, you either made a huge gambit or a huge blunder. Both cases - you are heavily screwed. Good news - the same counters as with Tywin (4) apply (even more so).
  • The Hound (2) (two fortification) is often used as the buy time and don't suffer loses in the initial push. Ideally, you would want to trade this off for one of your (1) cards, but unless you are feeling lucky, it's likely he will trade it off for one of your stronger ones.
  • Jaime (2) (one sword) is the average run of the mill (2) card. If you can trade it for a (1), you are in a good shape.
  • Ser Kevan (1) is tricky. His effect doubles the strength of footmen when attacking. Theon (2) is a hard counter. If it is the case that he attacks with just one footmen or for any other reason the Valyrian Blade advantage is sufficient, trading a (1) for this leaves you in a good spot as well.
  • Tyrion (1) is an amazing card. However, in Greyjoy - Lanister conflicts, its power is greatly reduced. Firstly because Aeron (0) a hard counter (Tyrion (1)'s effect is played first), secondly due to the Valyrian Blade, any of your cards is likely to be sufficient. That said, Tyrion (1) is still a main axis around which most of the mindgame/overmindgame/gambling/bluffing/tides of the push - pull conflict are resolved.
  • Cersei (0) is discard garbage. If Lanister somehow manages to use it against you early on, you made a huge blunder.

Your capitol is almost untouchable

In order for someone to be able to attack Pike, he first needs a ship in Ironman's Bay. This is almost impossible as you have great navy due to (1) your cards, (2) the Valyrian Blade, (3) starting with two ships.


That said, lets look at Greyjoy's strategy.

In GoT in general, each player has two neighbours. Most of the time he should truce with one and fight with the other. The reason you would choose to get Starks as an ally:

  • There is greater distance between you. Therefore (1) backstabbing is harder, (2) it's harder for you to blitzkrieg.
  • Starks are the only house that have enough space in a 6p game to do their own thing for the first many turns, thus the incentive for backstabbing is lower.
  • We already established that your deck kind of counters Lanister's. While Stark's doesn't directly counter yours, it has great defensive cards that let him fight on his own ground without loses almost indefinitely, thus nullifying your blitzkrieg capabilities.

In my experience, most of the times Starks will agree to be your ally. In that case, you have to agree to give them Moat Calin and territories between the river and The Narrow Sea. From observations - the more experienced the Stark player, the earlier he will backstab you (especially if you get favourable victories with the Lanisters). Newer players tend do capture neutral zones well into the middle (or even later stages) of the game.

That said, in the rare event that Starks don't want to place nice, a few things to keep in mind:

  • Your cards, combined with the Valyrian Blade are still insanely powerful.
  • Don't extend in Northern ground. As already stated, Starks can keep a fight going for a long time. It's unlikely you will get that much value and you will open yourself for other houses attacks.
  • Instead - contain them. The points of interest are Sunset Sea and Moat Calin. Having a ship in Sunset Sea constantly threatens an attack in Bay of Ice. If you get a ship in Bay of Ice, not only do you completely shutdown attacks coming from one side, but you also threaten Winterfell. Moat Calin is pretty important and will likely go back and forth. Baratheon's claims on The Narrow Sea is a huge factor.
  • Things to do as you are not attacking Lanisters: Claim the neutral ground that you would have offered Starks. Help Lanister with Tyrell. While that might not seem advantageous, it pays off. Getting ships in The Sunset Sea (which Lanister has to allow you for you to fend off the Starks) and in The West Summer Sea provides you a ton of mobility and options. This gives you (1) great opportunities to backstab the Lanisters (2) makes you a huge pain in the **s for the Tyrell (3) even gets you access to Martel for quick grabs when the possibility arises as you can be sure they wont be able to seek vengeance due to sheer distance.
  • The number one thing to do when allied with Lanisters - plan when to backstab the Lanisters ☺. Pyke, Flint's Finger, Seaguard, Riverrun and Lannisport gives you a total of 5 points. With ship support from Ironman's Bay/Sunset Sea/The Golden Sound, they are almost untakeable. You just have to stay strong as the game progresses, occasionally going back and forth to Moat Calin/Harrenhal when the time is right. If you have a ship in Bay of Ice or The West Summer Sea, the possibilities are endless. Note that this is a general strategy, no matter if you are in alliance with the Lanisters or the Starks.

Just to attest to the amazing military power of Greyjoy, let me summarize a game I played just Yesterday:

I was in alliance with the Starks. Due to favourable play of cards, I managed to take The Golden Sound and Lanniport very early on. The remaining Lannister forces were pushed to the middle of the map, unable to take back territory.

Witnessing this massacre, the Starks attacked me immediately at Flint's Finger. In hindsight, I should have seen that coming, but I was not expecting betrayal this early on from an otherwise peaceful house. With my deck running thin due to the previous conflicts with Lannister, I lost sea battles at Sunset Sea and Ironman's Bay, forcing me to retreat my navy to The Golden Sound. His plan was to take Pike with the forces from Flint's Finger and the support of two ships in Ironman's Bay.

He almost succeeded. There was a vote on the Influence Tracks that turned very positive. I retained the Valyrian Blade and got tied with the Starks for the 4th place for the Raven. Seeing that the Starks will have an insurmountable advantage if I get destroyed, the owner of the Iron Throne agreed to resolve the parity in my favour. With me having a ★ and him having none, I had just enough strength to fend of the attack. He knew this so he called it off, but didn't retreat as he was planning to attempt it again with reinforcements next turn.

This was ultimately his demise, as I managed to attack his two ships from The Golden Sound with support from Sunset Sea. He lost his ships as he had nowhere to retreat.

There was significant land fighting going between me and the Stark. I made a blunder and lost almost half of my land army. However, my deck got replenished and I managed to completely push him back with 3 knights and significant fleet. I've taken the Bay of Ice and could easily take Moat Calin.

I could see how the incredible mobility and support of the ships could allow me to fight both the Stark and the Lanister on two fronts having half the land force of any of them. A true testament to Greyjoy's unmatched military prowess. Wait, what...

During this entire time, the Lanister that was broth to the brink of extinction has been growing stronger by almost completely avoiding fighting. With noone wanting to go to the no man's land to finish him off, he was claiming castle after castle and mustering an ever so big army. Baratheon was almost destroyed by Martell. And Tyrell was part of this conflict, exchanging blows back and forth with Martell. The perfect situation to give breathing space for Lanisters to come back.

In fact, the Lanister had 6 castles! But I was not worried. His army was spread all over the map and I knew I could easily take all sea castles one after another. And in fact I have just given the attack orders. However, being first, Lanister attacked King's Landing (which at that time was Tyrell's possession). Tyrell made a very obvious blunder as he had a card strong enough to fend off the attack and knew what Lanister was going to play. Yet he lost.

Had the game not ended prematurely, I would have been in terrific shape. With Starks constantly threatened to lose Winterfell by my ship in Bay of Ice and five castles next to the shore, my only weakness was my low land army count, which wasn't that significant and was going to be turned around with the next mustering.

So with blitzkrieg and early backstabing at the start and fighting on two fronts with half the army of any of my opponents, I was still very likely to win at the end.

Yes, a lot of things could have happened differently. Yes, your opponents could have played better. But note that everyone, even the complete tryhards don't play optimally. GoT, unlike chess or bridge, doesn't have a ton of books, research and people devoting their lives. Being so lengthy and having such complex rules, it only follows that even the more seasoned of players have played a dozen of games tops, often times against less experienced friends.

When you say they are weak, just remember that they are the house able to pay the iron price no matter the odds!


If you got here - congrats! Thank you for your time, I hope you found this educational or at least entertaining to read.

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    Really good read. It's such a shame that the only viable strategy for Greyjoy is basically screwing everyone over and acting like a barbaric tribe, whereas other houses have a decent position to try a more diplomatic/honorable victory. You loose less friends that way... – Dunno Sep 23 '16 at 15:04
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I was able to win at turn 7 with seven castles playing the Greyjoys. My tactic was to attack the Lannisters early and keep pressing them, while making a pact with house Stark. Then on turn 7 I attacked Stark to take the last castle to secure the win.

Sure, I screwed my buddy, but it is a game of thrones after all. I even forgot to use the +1 from the sword the first couple of turns...

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The Greyjoys are a difficult Great House to play, however, I still think they are easier to play than the Lannisters, who even with special orders, are at a MASSIVE disadvantage against you, unless they ally with the Starks before you do.

My strategy would be as follows.

Move 1 ship from the port to Ironman's Bay. If Mobilization card is played, recruit 2 ships. In one turn, move them both to Ironman's Bay, where your second attack order is placed. Attack with 2 of them the sea besides Lannisport, move 1 to the sea at the edge of the map to the left, and leave 1 in Ironman's Bay.

At the sea battle, play Aeron Greyjoy. That way your use of Victarion is secure even if Tyrion card is played. In 90% of cases, you will easily seize that sea. Next turn, march on Lannisport with your one Knight, and use Balon Greyjoy, since this time he most likely won't use Tyrion even if he has him (in that case, switch to Euron, and you almost always win anyway).

However, once you finish off the Lannisters, do NOT seize any other castles. All of your enemies will be wary and likely to attack you, so keep a low profile and never, ever exceed 4 castles, 3 is best. Leave Moat Cailin and Flint's Finger to the Starks to appease them, since they will be the most likely to betray you (which will be secured by your 1 ship at Sunset Sea). If you take more than 4 castles while fighting with the Lannisters, leave some of them - you don't want to attract enemies, and you don't have much Power tokens to spare or enough armies to maintain them without overstretching. From now on - defence, support, mustering, crowns, until the last turn, putting your troops in the meantime to seize 3 castles in one turn.

While betting, keep your position at the Iron Throne last (never bet on this one), you can also let go of the sword, since you are no longer as aggressive as in the beginning (2-3 power tokens on that, no more), and spare as much tokens as you can on the Raven.

It is also a good idea to strike an alliance with Martells at the beginning of the game, since they are far enough to be totally okay with this, and they will be very useful in stopping Baratheons. Other players generally agree to ally agains the Baratheons, since it is the most over-powered house in the game, and they very often win if other players don't conspire against them.

The reason I believe attacking the Lannisters early is better than waiting, is that they are so close to you that they usually attack you anyway, and Greyjoy deck is less powerful if you are defending, instead of attacking. Plus, the longer you play, the more Starks will be closing in, so fighting your closest enemy without the wolves on your back is always better.

EDIT:

Actually, if the Mobilization is played, you can place both ships at the Ironman's Bay directly, without wasting march order.

Also, as a disclaimer, of course it is no sure-fire way to crush the Lannisters early. Any plan can be foiled through sheer bad luck, but in my experience it is the best way to win the game. If you wait too long, you might survive to turn 10, but with little chances of winning. A defeat at turn 10 is every bit the same as defeat at turn 4. This approach is way more risky, but most of the Greyjoy victories I did or witnessed followed more or less this pattern.

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Great answers above. I will just add that Greyjoy are actually the strongest house. According to https://www.thronemaster.net/, Greyjoy's win rate is 23.8% (out of 33,561 games).

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