Humility says "all creatures lose all abilities and have base power and toughness 1/1" and Myth Realized is an enchantment that can become a creature with P/T equal to the number of lore counters on it.

I'm thinking that due to the timestamp ordering if Myth Realized becomes a creature after Humility was cast that Myth Realized would be x/x and not 1/1, where x is the number of lore counters?

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You are correct, Myth Realized will be a creature with power and toughness equal to the number of lore counters on it.

This is because both its own ability and Humility's apply in Layer 7b (613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied. Effects that refer to the base power and/or toughness of a creature apply in this layer.) Since they are in the same layer and neither ability depends on the other you use timestamps (613.3. Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within each sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order.)

Note that if Myth realized is already a creature when Humility is played it will become a 1/1 until the end of turn, but the next time it is activated it will be back to normal.

Myth Realized's ability is not a Characteristic-Defining Ability which would be applied in layer 7a and then get overwritten because cause CDAs require that

604.3a A static ability is a characteristic-defining ability if it meets the following criteria: ... (2) it is printed on the card it affects, it was granted to the token it affects by the effect that created the token, or it was acquired by the object it affects as the result of a copy effect or text-changing effect;

Also from the Gatherer Rulings

Activating the ability that turns Myth Realized into a creature while it’s already a creature will override any effects that set its power or toughness to a specific value. Effects that modify power or toughness without directly setting them to a specific value will continue to apply.

This would not be possible if its ability were a CDA

  • I guess it's analogous to an "Enchant Creature", which applies it's effects in timestamp ordering? Like if Myth Realized said "Myth Realized becomes a Monk Avatar creature in addition to its other types and has 'This creature's power and toughness are blah blah'" then it'd be 1/1 all the time but because it says "gains" instead of "has" that it's not?
    – neubert
    Commented Oct 2, 2015 at 15:22
  • Maybe worth mentioning: The ability-removing effect of Humillity, and the ability-gaining effect of Myth Realized are both in Layer 6 so this happens in timestamp. So Myth Realized will still have it's Characteristic Defining Ability (CDA) gained by it's ability
    – Ivo
    Commented Oct 2, 2015 at 15:23
  • @diego Wait now I think about it. Humility's effect overwrites the power and toughness setting of the CDA of Myth Realized in 7b because Myth Realized's effect happens in 7a or not? so it's always a 1/1?
    – Ivo
    Commented Oct 2, 2015 at 15:26
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    @IvoBeckers I added a section explaining why it isn't a CDA
    – diego
    Commented Oct 2, 2015 at 16:43

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