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I put together a Legacy Elfdrazi deck relying on Elvish Piper, Concordant Crossroads, some mana dorks and a bunch of tutoring like Green Sun's Zenith and Worldly Tutor to get Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and Progenitus out by turn 3-6 depending on how I draw.

Problem is that if things go poorly and I don't get Emrakul out til turn 5 or 6, my friend has managed to start playing Extinction which he recently acquired in response to my Elfdrazi deck. He's started winning nearly all our games with this.

I am unsure how to respond. It's a mono-green deck and splashing blue to get my hands on Unnatural Selection or Standardize (cheap blue cards that allow me to change all my creatures' creature types at a moment's notice, protecting them from Extinction) would slow me down a lot, most likely.

What effective ways are there to protect a tribal deck from black type-specific board clear? Is my best choice to buy more concordant crossroads and more pipers and try to make the deck faster so he never gets a chance?

  • Are you on a budget? If so, what is your budget? Can you provide your entire decklist instead of just a few cards (TappedOut.net is a good place to do that)? Are you open to splashing other colors as long as the original combo remains intact? What other cards in your meta do you need to be worried about? Are you trying to protect your Elves, your Eldrazi, or both? I'm not sure if your problem is that you piper Emrakul and then he kills it, or you just never get to piper Emrakul because he kills your Elves. – Rainbolt Nov 17 '15 at 17:39
  • Never got to piper emrakul because he kills the elves. I have yet to lose a game where I got Emrakul out. I'll link to decklist in a minute. Spent like $280+ on deck already so at this point I'm probably hesitant to spent more than like another $40. – temporary_user_name Nov 17 '15 at 17:47
  • There's also 4x Defense of the Heart which I take out depending on the opposing deck; sometimes that card is too OP and makes it no fun. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/14-11-15-elfdrazi – temporary_user_name Nov 17 '15 at 17:50
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    Yes, anything above sixty cards is generally accepted to be too many. Consistency is inversely proportional to the number of cards in your deck. – Rainbolt Nov 17 '15 at 19:40
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    Note that Extinction doesn't require you to choose a creature type until resolution. So Standardize is practically useless against it. – Alex P Nov 18 '15 at 6:06
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Playing Around Board Wipes

For your purposes, Extinction is just a board wipe, like Supreme Verdict. In fact, at CMC 5, it's a slow board wipe. In a no-holds-barred Legacy environment, you'd be having to deal with faster sweepers like Perish and Terminus.

So you could try to get cute with instant-speed creature-type changing here, but nothing really prevents your friend from switching to more conventional mass removal to get the job done — even a card like Marsh Casualties will clean out mana dorks very efficiently.

So, what do you do if you're unprepared for a sweeper? General strategy is to be faster but don't overextend. Aggro decks commonly try to put a lot of pressure on their opponents right out the gate, forcing opponents to scramble to stabilize. "Curve-toppers" (especially creatures with haste or evasive abilities) and burn spells (like Lightning Bolt) help get the last few points of damage in after that Supreme Verdict has dropped.

But, in your case, you're playing a combo deck that uses creatures for mana instead of constantly pressuring life totals, so racing the sweeper is a bit of an all-or-nothing arrangement: if you fail, you've lost a lot of resources with basically nothing to show for it.

So, what do you do?

Combo Deck Fundamentals

Most combo decks want to be fast. That's basically their whole value proposition: devote most of your deck to doing weird, kinda useless-seeming stuff in order to quickly work your way up to a devastating finish.

So, can you tune up your combo engine to make your deck faster? For example:

  • Tournament-grade elf decks often use Heritage Druid+Nettle Sentinel as a mana engine. Heritage Druid will help speed up hands where you didn't get a Concordant Crossroads.
  • Tournament-grade elf decks tend to use Glimpse of Nature (or Beck) to chain lots of cards quickly.

Replacing some of your slower elves with these cards might help you gain a turn or more.

You can also speed up your deck by improving its consistency. If you're "going off" on turn 3 50% of the time and turn 4 50% of the time, then getting that ratio down to 90%/10% is effectively the same as speeding your deck up by half a turn. Card filtering, tutors (not just for your endgame piece but for the cards you need to get there), and better access to redundant cards will all help get you there.

But, unless you're playing a truly degenerate format, your opponents will be able to interact with you, and your deck needs to be able to go off despite their best attempts at disruption — especially in post-sideboard games where they might bring in specific countermeasures against you. Some tried-and-true strategies here:

  • Lots of redundant pieces. Elf decks usually naturally have this covered, since they play a lot of highly interchangeable cards.
  • "Plan B." A second combo (e.g. slower but simpler), going offensive with your creatures, or the ability to play for the endgame like a control deck.
  • Disruption. Protect your combo with disruptive elements of your own.

Deckbuilding Suggestions

Your deck already has a fair bit of redundancy to it. "Plan B" is pretty easy: go on the offense with your little elves, perhaps using Ezuri's Overrun ability.

Let's focus on that third pillar: disruption. The best colors for this are blue and black, which are the colors of counterspells and targeted discard, respectively. I prefer targeted discard for true combo decks, because it allows me to go after my opponent's disruptive resources on my own schedule rather than having to wait and hold open counterspell mana (if you want to do that, build full-on combo-control, or play an instant-speed combo deck). Targeted discard also works well in combo decks because oftentimes your opponent only has a few cards that can truly interact with yours — you don't need to deal with all of their cards, just the handful of reactive cards or hosers they're using to slow down your combo.

So, let's just use targeted discard to rip our opponents' hands apart before they can nuke our elves away. As a bonus, we'll get the ability to see their hands, which makes it much easier to play around whatever they still have in hand. The optimal targeted discard cards are Thoughtseize, Cabal Therapy, Duress, and Inquisition of Kozilek; in your case, IoK is suboptimal (you care about some CMC 4+ spells, but in a pinch you can chump-block with an elf or two, so you don't particularly need discard spells that can hit cheap creatures), but all the other ones have their appeal:

  • Play Cabal Therapy for maximum value, if you're comfortable guessing strategically.
  • Play Thoughtseize if you want a targeted discard spell guaranteed to hit something.
  • Play Duress if you're budget-limited or you think Thoughtseize exposes you to too much risk from aggro deck.

Going green/black, even if it's just a splash, also opens up access to a number of other interesting options:

  • Shaman of the Pack lets you turn elves into life drain.
  • Black/green gives you access to a lot of great removal, including Abrupt Decay and Maelstrom Pulse (and Pernicious Deed, but that's suicide for your deck).
  • Golgari Charm is a multifaceted spell that can protect your elves from some (but not all!) sweeper effects.
  • Black is a great color for digging stuff out of the graveyard. You've even got some mass revival options like Patriarch's Bidding (perfect for a "tribal" deck). Since such spells are costly, I don't really recommend them for one-on-one, but they may be a good addition to a deck for multiplayer.

These are all secondary to the pure defensive benefit or running discard spells to protect your combo, though.

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    "If you're "going off" on turn 4 50% of the time and turn 4 50% of the time" - did you mean two different turns? :) – doppelgreener Nov 18 '15 at 2:34
  • There are some really great ideas here. Thanks. Ezuri is actually already plan B, that's why he's there. If I don't get a piper, either Time of Need to hardcast silvos very early with rofellos/priest of titania or else get Ezuri out, one or the other has won me a number of games with this deck. But yeah, splashing another color might be necessary. – temporary_user_name Nov 18 '15 at 7:11
  • @doppelgreener fixed – Alex P Nov 18 '15 at 15:35
  • @AlexP I don't really see how to use the Nettle Elves / Heritage Druid. I get the combo, but isn't it kind of dependent on your having 2 or more nettle elves out? Seems like a mana combo relying on you drawing a specific three creatures is much less reliable than Rofellos or Priest of Titania. I know I must be wrong but I don't see how. – temporary_user_name Nov 18 '15 at 17:38
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    Beck is essentially Glimpse of Nature if you decide to go the elf "combo" route and also splash blue. – Rainbolt Nov 20 '15 at 14:12
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Given green's normal options, I would look at regeneration to protect against Extinction. The best anti-Extinction card I could find with a little searching was Wrap in Vigor that is mono green. If you could splash colors then Golgari Charm or Loxodon Hierarch look promising as well.

Of course green has lots of options for single creature regeneration. You could also look into cards that make your creatures indestructable. Shield of Kaldra or Darksteel Plate come to mind as possibilities.

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One option is to play Wirewood Symbiote. You can activate one in response to Extinction to effectively make an Elf dodge the removal, and assuming that they chose "Elf", the Symbiote itself won't die. Plus, you can also use it to untap mana creatures like Priest of Titania for lots of mana, so it's a good addition to a deck like this in general.

Another option is to play Eldrazi Monument, which makes all of your creatures indestructible, and also costs {5}, so you should be able to play it first with your mana ramp. Plus, it's a flavor match. The downside is that you have to sacrifice a creature each turn.

You should also learn how to play around mass removal in general. If you think your opponent is about to play Extinction, hold some things back in your hand.

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  • Eldrazi monument costs a creature per turn :( but i guess that's a small price to pay as opposed to losing all of them – temporary_user_name Nov 17 '15 at 17:40
  • Actually, I think I'll rearrange my answer. Symbiote is probably the better answer here. – murgatroid99 Nov 17 '15 at 17:41
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There are effects like Fecundity which let you draw from the destruction of your creatures, refilling your hand and thus enabling you to start setting up your combo once more.

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