I am curious, can proliferate be applied to planes-walkers with loyalty counters on them?

proliferate text states:

You choose any number of permanents and/or players with counters on them, then give each another counter of a kind already there.

And planeswalkers are both players AND permanents, So I see no reason that it shouldn't work. Are there rules against it?

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Yes you can proliferate loyalty counters on planeswalkers because they are permanents.

Planeswalkers are not players however, the only time they sort-of act like players is "If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source controlled by an opponent, that opponent may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker the first player controls instead." And really that is just a rule so that cards like Lightning Bolt will be effective against them without needing errata.

110.4. There are five permanent types: artifact, creature, enchantment, land, and planeswalker.

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    So... In theory, could I use ral zarek (gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ral+zarek) with some inexorable tides (gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/…) to possibly gain infinite turns via quick, plentiful, cheap spells?
    – tuskiomi
    Nov 10, 2016 at 16:02
  • @tuskiomi You can, though there are significantly easier (and more reliable) ways to get infinite turns
    – diego
    Nov 10, 2016 at 16:04
  • ...go on... I want to hear
    – tuskiomi
    Nov 10, 2016 at 16:05
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    @tuskiomi That isn't really what comments are for, but if you join us in Board & Card Games Chat we could answer that question for you.
    – diego
    Nov 10, 2016 at 16:07
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    Quickly just for anyone looking in from the outside, the big one everyone knows about for infinite turn combos would be the Time vault - Voltaic Key combo, often simplified to Volt(Vault)-Key. Nov 10, 2016 at 20:45

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