# How long do I have to collect rent in Monopoly?

Player A lands on my property, and I'm not paying attention. The rule book states:

The owner may not collect the rent if he/she fails to ask for it before the second player following throws the dice

I always interpreted that to mean once Player B rolled the dice I was out of luck (i.e., Player A--who owes me money--was the first player and Player B was the second). But I can definitely see that being interpreted as giving me until Player C rolls the dice, being the second player to play after Player A.

• I was trying to edit the existing answer to explain itself without getting bogged down in dictionaries, and realized I should double-check: can you explain how you read this as referring to player B? My guess is you read it as something like "the second player, i.e. the player following"? – Cascabel Dec 5 '17 at 17:24
• @Jefromi Yes; I'm the first player, you are the second player, following me. Granted my punctuation changes the meaning to be more what I intended. – user7672 Dec 5 '17 at 17:55
• second player following != second following player – user7672 Dec 5 '17 at 18:47
• @thumbtackthief: Please compare "Let's eat, Grandpa." and "Let's eat Grandpa.". One cannot add and remove commas at a whim, and retain meaning. Other examples here. – Forget I was ever here Dec 5 '17 at 21:15

Suppose the players are Anne, Bill, Charlize, David, Elizabeth, and Fred.

Anne rolls the dice, moves her counter and lands on Fred's property. Fred fails to notice.

The players following Anne are Bill, Charlize, David, etc. Bill is the first player following Anne, and Charlize is the second. So Fred must notice and request rent before Charlize rolls.

A specific scenario:

The first following player, Bill, now rolls the dice and moves his counter. Any transactions are processed as necessary.

The second following player, Charlize, now reaches for the dice as Fred notices Anne's counter and request payment. As the second following player, Charlize, has not yet thrown the dice, the request by Fred is in order and must be honoured.

The question is now asked: "why the second following instead of first following player?"

Simply, to prevent a pair of players from sitting down and guaranteeing that the one in elder position wins. Under a "first following" rule, if Alfred and Betty sit down beside each other, with Alfred rolling first, then Betty simply must be very fast at rolling the dice to ensure that Alfred never pay rent.

Next game, Alfred and Betty switch places and Betty is guaranteed to never pay rent.

And so on. This is called "The Bum's Rush".

There are also more subtle ways to play it, where the younger hand rolls very quickly only at strategic moments in the game. Same effect, with only a very slight reduction in effectiveness.

• I'd also point out that linguistics aside, this is a terrible, confusing way to play. "Hey five minutes ago you landed on my property, even though a complete turn has passed of other things happening, you owe me \$500." – user7672 Nov 27 '17 at 21:15
• @thumbtackthief" Rules exist for a reason. You always have the option of declaring, and playing by, any house rules you and your friends agree to. But when two players start colluding to give the Bum's Rush to another player, your group may suddenly be one member short for a good game. Good general advice is always to be sure you know the why of a rule before changing it. – Forget I was ever here Nov 27 '17 at 21:20
• @ForgetIWasEverHere I agreed with you up until "Bill now owes \$1000 to Frederick" I don't see how the "proper order" is anything other than the order that rent money is requested. Allowing for undoing of transactions to correct for missed rent sounds like a really poor way of doing things and doesn't seem to be supported by the rules. – Matt Nov 28 '17 at 2:05
• If you want this to be a good answer, I would strongly suggest just concisely explaining why the phrase means what it does, something along the lines of "if the players are A, B, C, D, ... and A should collect rent, then the players following A are B, C, D, ..., so B is the first player following, and C is the second player following." The organization and verbosity of your answer unfortunately make it less clear, and your attitude toward the OP's request for reference/explanation is, well, not what we do here. – Cascabel Dec 4 '17 at 20:15
• Like providing a source for "The Bum's Rush" which I could not find through any amount of Googling to have anything to do with dice-throwing or game-playing. – user7672 Dec 5 '17 at 21:29