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I have kind of an obscure edge case that has been bothering me, as I am not sure how the rules work.
For the example board state:

I know that if I play Teysa Karlov one of them will die due to SBA, and that Vindictive Vampire will trigger three times (I will gain 1 life and opp will lose 1 life three times). However, will I be able to use Skirk Prospector's mana ability to sacrifice it while both Teysas are still on the board? This would allow me to trigger Vindictive Vampire three more times.

Am I able to sacrifice Skirk Prospector after casting a second Teysa Karlov, but before one of the Teysas dies, to take advantage of multiple death triggers?

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    I want to mention that a creature dying due to the legend rule is not a "sacrifice", it just dies. – murgatroid99 Mar 21 at 21:03
  • @murgatroid99 true, changed wording. A bit more wordy now but the difference can be important in some cases. If you can think of a better way to put it feel free to edit. – Malco Mar 21 at 21:09
  • I edited with a more concise wording. – murgatroid99 Mar 21 at 21:11
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    Maybe a duplicate? boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/21016/… – GendoIkari Mar 21 at 21:25
  • @GendoIkari almost, but I am more concerned about Prospector being a mana ability since those don't use the stack and can sometimes be used during spell resolution. – Malco Mar 22 at 13:40
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No, you have no opportunity to take any actions, including activating mana abilities, after the Teysa Karlov spell resolves and before one of the Teysas dies due to the legend rule state-based action.

State-based action happen immediately after the spell resolves, before any player gains priority.

Mana abilities can be activated when you have priority, like other activated abilites. There are also rules that allow you to activate mana abilities at specific times. In the steps for casting a spell or activating an ability, rule 601.2g says

If the total cost includes a mana payment, the player then has a chance to activate mana abilities (see rule 605, "Mana Abilities"). Mana abilities must be activated before costs are paid.

And in the steps for resolving a spell or ability, rule 608.2f says

If an effect gives a player the option to pay mana, they may activate mana abilities before taking that action. [...]

In the scenario you describe, events happen in the following order:

  1. The Teysa Karlov spell resolves. This just involves Teysa Karlov entering the battlefield.
  2. State-based actions are checked. At this time, you choose one of the Teysa Karlov creatures and put it into your graveyard.
  3. You put the Vindictive Vampire triggered abilities on the stack.
  4. You gain priority.

There is nothing at all in between the Teysa entering and one of them dying, and there are definitely none of the situations that allow you to activate mana abilites.

  • I can't find a concrete example of an existing card, but if my opponent had some thing with "Creatures enter the battlefield tapped unless their controller pays {2}" would I be able to sacrifice the Prospector? or is that still too late? – Malco Mar 22 at 13:43
  • It's true that such a replacement effect would apply during the resolution of the Teysa spell, so it would have the right timing, but as far as I can tell there are no replacement effects that ask for a mana payment and the rules don't clearly support such a thing. – murgatroid99 Mar 22 at 15:23
  • how come you can tap mox opals while there are two of them on the battlefield? – Neil Meyer Mar 26 at 14:10
  • I believe that you can't do that either. What makes you think that is allowed? – murgatroid99 Mar 26 at 15:17

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