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My wife and I were playing Carcassonne last night with several of the expansions and we found that the game was taking a ridiculously long time. We had the base game, the River, Inns & Cathedrals, and Traders & Builders all in play at once. I am hoping to find a way to minimize the tiles in play without sacrificing the variations created by the expansions. Any suggestions?

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The simplest way is to simply shuffle up the tiles, then pull about 60-150 of them for use. This will typically mean a 1-3 hour game, depending upon player speed and exact number of tiles. It also limits the needed table space. It does, however, also mean it is possible to not have any tiles turn up from a given expansion.

Also, don't use the River nor River II, nor the Count. The River I & 2 simply lengthen setup and increase think-time needed at start.... in addition to taking time to start, and adding 10+ tiles each. The count, by allowing reinforcement as it does, really adds to tactical think-times.

If using princess and dragon, you may want to hold out one volcano, and shuffle it into the play stack after generating the ones you're going to play with. This way, you know the dragon WILL show up, but might not be showing up twice. Same for Tower tiles from The Tower.

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    Or, to make sure you're getting enough of the flavorful expansion tiles, you could only mix in some proportion of base tiles. – Gregor Oct 19 '11 at 16:38
  • I agree with not using the river or the count if you want a lot of interaction between players. But it may make the game a lot quicker for experienced players as it increases the legal moves on the early game and adds a new mechanic. Also, the River II is a must if you play with the dragon – Toote Apr 19 '14 at 14:29
  • Increase in legal moves increases think time. – aramis Apr 19 '14 at 18:18
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    Removing a random set of tiles kinda dumbs down the game. Part of the skill set of Carcassonne is remembering which tiles are still in the pile and which are not. – Hackworth Apr 21 '14 at 20:02
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    If you're into card-counting, sure... but if you are, I'll not voluntarily play with you. – aramis Apr 22 '14 at 19:54
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I probably wouldn't use the River in a 2-player game: it acts to rapidly expand the available playing area and gives the players more "elbow room". This may not be really what you want with just players, as it just means you may end up doing your separate things at opposite ends of the table.

I'm a big advocate of Traders & Builders and Inns & Cathedrals as adding a lot of strategic depth of the game, and I definitely wouldn't recommend removing them from the mix. You could try trying to add a time limit to your play - obviously you're now playing with over 100 tiles total, so if you're regularly taking over a minute to choose your move then of course you'll be looking at a 2-hour game. Or else you could agree to stop after half an hour or an hour or whatever: as long as all players got an equal number of turns then there's no real harm in calling time, right?

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    I feel like a time-limited game would significantly change the strategy with fields. The value of the fields grow as the game progresses. If the game is going to end early, a late-game field strategy is definitely not as useful. If nothing else, the player not winning fields could simply prolong the game. – quietmint Apr 21 '14 at 2:17
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If it is just two of you use a chess clock to force yourselves to play faster. Play with the rule that if anyone runs out of time then they cannot play any more tiles. We play with a multiplayer game timer that I wrote for my mobile phone, and we (3/4/5 of us) can get through 3 games with the basic set in an hour. Before we had the game timer, we could drag out a game to well over an hour, and to be honest it was pretty tedious.

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    I looked into multiplayer timers, in particular for mobile phones. What platform does your program run on, and is it available for download? – tttppp Oct 19 '11 at 17:59
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You could just not use all of the expansions at once. Instead, pick one or two expansions, maybe at random, every game. Now there is variability, and each game will be different, but you don't have a ton of extra tiles and rules in play in any given game.

This is how collectible card games like Magic the Gathering, or deck building games like Dominion, manage to stay enjoyable, despite having tons of expansion and variability. You don't increase the size of the game, or use all expansions at once, but rather each game you play can be played with a different set of elements but still within approximately the same level of time and complexity.

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The best way to increase variability without impacting game length is to focus on the aspects of the expansions that do not involve tile drawing. For example, you could use the base set (with or without the River), the large followers from I&C, and the builder and pig pieces from T&B, which would add most of the options without changing the length of the game.

  • I can see what you're saying here. I think you're right. You don't really need all the T&B tiles out to use the Pig or Builder. That would speed up the game significantly. Some expansions, such as the Abbey and Mayor, cater to this train of thought because they come with only a few basic tiles and lots of other kinds of game pieces. – Ned Strong Apr 3 '17 at 19:29
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An excellent 2-player method for lots of expansions:

Use a 30-minute timer that is out of view of both players. Use all expansions you own mixed together in a big bag (The Traders and Builders bag will work). When the timer goes off, no more tiles or meeples can be placed.

My wife and I are no strangers to Carcassonne expansions. We regularly play with: The Phantom, Inns and Cathedrals, Traders and Builders, The Princess and the Dragon (without the fairy), The Flying Machine, The Messages (without the second scoring meeple), The Ferries, The Witch and the Mage, The Gold Mines, and the Cult. We use colored dice on the scoreboard instead of a meeple, because we usually “pass go” 4-5 times each in a 30-minute game. We roll a die to see who goes first, then the first player chooses how to start - selecting one of the following: the original starting tile, the River, the River II, or the City of Carcassonne. We start the timer when the setup is ready and then play our hearts out until the timer goes off. Cleanup is easy. Just take out the starting tile(s) then shuffle the rest back into the bag.

We've tried lots of different methods over the years for balancing expansions and play-time, and this is definitely the best we’ve found. Because it’s only 30 minutes, it stays fun, and we often have time to squeeze in a second board game.

  • I am not sure this method is that good overall. If one player takes longer for each turn then the other it can unbalance the game long term.I think a better idea is to put in a turn clock for each turn and limit the number of total turns. – Joe W Oct 25 '16 at 23:50
  • Nah, with two players it doesn't make a difference. Each player puts down the same amount of tiles until the last one, and that turn ends when the timer goes off, not when the turn is "officially" over, so if you think time is about up, your turns actually start to go faster. I recognize that it's not a perfect solution, but it's the simplest and fastest - especially if you have tons of expansions. – Ned Strong Nov 23 '16 at 20:52
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Another method we used in our games, which also cuts down on randomness is to give each player a "hand of tiles" — three was the optimal number for us — from which they can use one each time. Theoretically, that's increasing the number of options for play, but it actually tends to focus people one one "good" move which they pick before their turn.

  • This is a house rule I hear of often. My wife and I tried it and really disliked it, mainly because of the Princess and the Dragon expansion. If you have three cards in your hand, the excitement of "Oh no! I drew a dragon and I'm not ready!" is eliminated completely. It changes the rest of the game as designed a great deal, too, almost changing it into an entirely different game. If you need more time to think about a good move, try getting a new tile directly after you place one instead of waiting for your turn to draw. That has less of an effect on the overall game. – Ned Strong Apr 3 '17 at 17:06

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