Let's say that I have two cards in my hand, Lion's Eye Diamond and Shock. According to the rules, the steps to casting a spell are as follows:

  • Announcing the spell (put the spell on the stack)
  • Determine Modes
  • Choose targets
  • Announce Divisions
  • Determine Total Cost
  • Activate Mana Abilities
  • Pay costs
  • The spell is now considered cast

So, by reading this, does this mean that I can cast the artifact, then once it resolves cast the Shock by putting it on the Stack, going through the steps, then sacraficing the artifact for it's mana ability (and discarding my hand, which is 0) and paying for the shock with the mana the artifact produced?

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Due to the Oracle revision to this card, what your are describing will not work. The current errata states that you can only use Lion's Eye Diamond's ability as an instant. The only abilities you can activate while a spell is being placed on the stack ("Pay Costs") are mana abilities such as tapping lands.

If Lion's Eye Diamond was not changed to specifically state that its ability is played as an instant, what you are describing would work.

Relevant Oracle text:

Sacrifice Lion's Eye Diamond, Discard your hand: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool. Activate this ability only any time you could cast an instant.

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    Hmm, I was looking at the original wording... not the oracle wording... hmm....
    – DForck42
    Commented Jun 14, 2012 at 17:01
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    ok, so this particular example doesn't work because of the oracle wording, but the concept still seems to work. if a mana ability has an additional cost, say paying [1] or sacraficing a creature, or whatever, it's still a mana ability and i can use it after declaring the spell. gotcha.
    – DForck42
    Commented Jun 14, 2012 at 17:59
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    @DForck42 Yeah. There's a trick with using Chromatic Sphere (which lets you draw a card as a mana ability -- i.e. not using the stack) to win with Laboratory Maniac without giving your opponent a chance to kill him with a draw trigger on the stack.
    – Alex P
    Commented Jun 14, 2012 at 18:51
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    @AlexP Indeed. I believe that the most relevant result of that ruling is activating it cannot be responded to (it immediately resolves when placed on the stack).
    – Hyppy
    Commented Jun 14, 2012 at 18:56
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    A more common example of when this does work, is using e.g. a chromatic sphere to pay for a card with affinity. That is, you can use the chromatic sphere to reduce the cost, and still use the colored mana to pay for the spell.
    – tengfred
    Commented Aug 6, 2012 at 12:26

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