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For example, if someone attacks with a 3/3 creature, and you have a 5/5 creature that will ultimately block and destroy his creature.

If they boosts their creature with a +3/+3 spell, can you counter the spell? If they boost their creature with an equipment card, during his combat attack phase, can you counter that?

What, if anything, does this have to do with the "Stack"?

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    This question doesn't make much sense. Is the opponent casting an instant that gives +3/+3 or attaching (note not equipping which happens at sorcery speed) an equipment?
    – nine9ths
    Nov 8, 2012 at 17:46
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    You can equip a Cranial Plating at instant speed after declaring an attacker, but it would be much more likely to give +3/0 than +3/+3! I think more information is needed to make this question useful and truly answerable. Nov 8, 2012 at 18:22
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    Suddenly, Brass Squire! :)
    – corsiKa
    Nov 8, 2012 at 19:51
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    It sounds like you need to read this article: mtgsalvation.com/794-priority-and-the-stack.html
    – Colin D
    Nov 8, 2012 at 20:10
  • I do not know what you are asking. Please name the cards involved in a specific example to clarify what you are hoping to learn.
    – darch
    Nov 9, 2012 at 0:34

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It depends on what he's doing, and what you have available.

If your opponent has a card like Serra Avenger, which is a 3/3, and he attempts to cast Giant Growth, giving the avenger +3/+3 until end of turn, then you can counter that with a spell like Cancel or by activating the ability of Judge's Familiar (assuming he can't or chooses not to pay the cost associated with the familiar). Otherwise, the aveneger, now a 6/6, will swallow a 5/5 in combat.

Note that he can cast the Giant Growth during his attackers step, or during your blockers step (after you've declared blockers). Consider the following scenario:

Him: delcare attacks

Him: declare Aveneger as attacker

You: block with Thundermaw Hellkite, a 5/5

Him: cast Giant Growth on Avenenger

Result: Aveneger, 6/6 lives, has 5 damage on it, and Hellkite is dead

It's important to note that this is not equipment, but an instant speed spell. Equipment plays by different rules: here's how those scenarios might play out.

If your opponent has a card like Manaforce Mace then he can't equip that during his combat phase, because he can only attach it at sorcery speed. But if you had three basic land types, then you'd have +3/+3 allowing you to take out the Hellkite in the above scenario. Note that this wouldn't really be a surprise like the Giant Growth would be, because you'd have to do this during combat.

If your opponent has a card like Cranial Plating then he could equip that during his combat phase with the activated ability. You can counter this only if you have something that allows you to counter abilities (not spells), for example Stifle

Another option would be something that allows equipment at instant speed, like Brass Squire. You could do this:

Him: delcare attacks

Him: declare Aveneger as attacker

You: block with Thundermaw Hellkite, a 5/5

Him: tap Brass Squire, attaching Manaforce Mace (which was already on the field, not from your hand, and assuming you have 3 basic land types) to Avenger.

Result: Aveneger, 6/6 lives, has 5 damage on it, and Hellkite is dead

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  • I don't have any specific cards, but the situation kinda goes like this: My friend tends to play kinda fast paced, ignoring the concept of stack: for example, he plays card 1, card 2, card 3, and for example card 1 would give card 3 +3. I play the counter spell but he says no were too slow. I was just wondering if I could counter a spell if he played it at the beginning of a long sequence.
    – user3483
    Nov 8, 2012 at 20:04
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    @user3483 He has to give you a chance to respond to each spell he casts (except if the card has split second).
    – Colin D
    Nov 8, 2012 at 20:05
  • @ColinD No, that's not true. If he is the active player (which he is because he's attacking) then he can continue to cast instant-speed spells and activate abilities until he decides to pass priority. 116.3c If a player has priority when he or she casts a spell, activates an ability, or takes a special action, that player receives priority afterward. Of course, you have a chance to respond to any or all of those, and logically, it's to your advantage to pass priority after each one (otherwise you give your opponent more information than necessary), but it's not required.
    – corsiKa
    Nov 9, 2012 at 15:48
  • @corsiKa What Colin said is still true: you get a chance to respond to each of the spells. You can't be "too slow" and lose your chance if your opponent has plowed ahead and cast more spells.
    – Cascabel
    Nov 9, 2012 at 17:54
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    @corsiKa It is entirely accurate to say that you get a chance to respond to all of the spells. The things you're saying about priority just mean that the chance you get may be after some other spells have been put on the stack. But you still get to respond.
    – Cascabel
    Nov 9, 2012 at 22:20
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using the term 'equipment card' in your question is confusing. Is your opponent using an instant/sorcery spell to provide the +3/+3 or an actual equipment artifact?

Because of this confusion, I will answer this question as if your opponent boosted his creature before attacking. (same stack rules will apply, but in almost all cases your opponent will not be able to play socercys or use equipt abilities [other abilities that boost power and toughness are still available])

If the opponent is casting an instant/sorcery spell to provide the +3/+3 the answer is YES, you can play a counterspell and then block and destroy his creature.

If the opponent is boosting his creature by use the 'equipt' ability of an artifact he controls (or any ability on a permanent), NO, you cannot play a counterspell. You can however play a different spell that would destroy or remove the artifact from his creature and then block.

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  • The opponent could not respond during combat by equipping a creature as the equip ability happens at sorcery speed. They could only do this with an equipment, spell or ability that allows one to attach equipment at instant speed. There are very few things that do that though and given the OPs ambiguity I doubt that one of those factors is in play here. wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/171
    – nine9ths
    Nov 8, 2012 at 17:50
  • @nine9ths, I missed the part of the question where he mentioned the spell was cast after attackers were declared. Even if the 'equipt' ability isn't used specificially, there are instant speed abilities that can boost power and toughness. Hopefully my edit clears this up a little.
    – Colin D
    Nov 8, 2012 at 17:56
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Before I answer, I'm not sure that you understand what a spell is, so I'm going to cover that first. My apologies if you know.

A spell is a card on a stack, which is to say a card that has been cast but hasn't yet resolved, hasn't been countered and hasn't otherwise left the stack.

e.g. If you cast Llanowar Elves, it is a spell from the time you take it out of your hand until it enters the battlefield.

e.g. If you cast Giant Growth, it is a spell from the time you take it out of your hand until it resolves to give a +3/+3 bonus to a creature.

A continuous effect is not a spell.

e.g. The +3/+3 granted by Giant Growth is not a spell.

Cards on the battlefield are not spells.

e.g. An artifact attached to a creature is not spell.

Now on to the questions.


If they boosts their creature with a +3/+3 spell, can you counter the spell?

Depends on the spell you used to counter.

If they boost their creature with an equipment card, during his combat attack phase, can you counter that?

It's not clear what you mean.

If they are casting an Equipment spell, you can counter that. They wouldn't normally be allowed to do cast an Equipment spell in the Combat Phase, though.

If they are using the Equip ability Equipment, you can counter that, there are a very few cards (e.g. Stifle) that can do it. They wouldn't normally be allowed to use Equip in the Combat Phase, though.

If they are attaching the Equipment using an ability other than Equip (e.g. Brass Squire's), Stifle would do the trick again.

Keep in mind that you can't counter permanents (objects on the battlefield) and the effects of their static abilities (e.g. Bladed Bracers's +1/+1), just abilities on the stack and spells.

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