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| Feb 18, 2016 at 16:34 | comment | added | ANeves |
The player must be attempting to gain advantage from his or her action. - so doing it "for giggles" is not technically cheating? Interesting.
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| Feb 18, 2016 at 14:35 | comment | added | Ivo | @Rainbolt thanks for asking. I don't get notifcations for comments on answers so I didn't know this discussion was even here. I hope it's all clear now for everyone | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 14:30 | comment | added | Rainbolt | @Hackworth It is not reasonable to assume that the question was asked with all of the information needed to answer it. Generally, when a question is missing information, you have two options: address both possibilities in your answer, or ask the OP to clarify. I've gone ahead and asked the OP to clarify, since you don't seem willing to address the possible interpretation that kasperd brought up. I honestly think it would improve your answer even if that isn't what the OP is asking for. | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 14:08 | comment | added | Hackworth | @kasperd The judge can not rule on what a player knows, only on what the judge believes. A question about a judge's ruling on what a player knows or believes to have done does not make sense. It only makes sense to interpret the question in the way I have, what happens if the judge believes that cheating has occured. OP clearly did not ask about the process of how a judge arrives at his opinion, only how he responds if he has a certain opinion, i.e. cheating has occured. | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 13:57 | history | edited | Hackworth | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 18, 2016 at 13:41 | comment | added | kasperd | @Hackworth You said the question is about a scenario where an official has decided it was done deliberately. I don't see the question saying anything about an official having decided on anything. The answer cover your interpretation of the question, which may or may not be what was intended in the question. Regardless of what was intended with the question, the additional information I suggest adding would make it a better answer. | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 13:28 | comment | added | Hackworth | @kasperd OP asked about a "deliberate" rules violation and "lying" about a face-down card. How much more obvious does it have to get whether or not the question is about cheating rather than accidental misplays? I suggest you google the dictionary definitions of "deliberate" and "to lie", if that's not clear. | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 13:22 | comment | added | kasperd | @Hackworth The question is not as specific as you assert. You are making assumptions about what the OP had in mind when asking the question. | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 13:07 | comment | added | Daenyth | @Hackworth: I see, it appears the RELs have changed; there used to be 5 levels (c ~2010). wizards.com/dci/judge/main.asp?x=judge/MTG_DCI_Judge_Penalty | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 13:05 | comment | added | Hackworth | @Daenyth These are the current tournament rules, see page 9 for REL definitions: wpn.wizards.com/sites/wpn/files/attachements/… | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 13:05 | comment | added | Hackworth | @kasperd That is wrong, or rather, irrelevant. The Head Judge is the final authority on what happened. If - after investigating - he or she decides it was intentional, then it was intentional, and will be punished accordingly. Again, the question was about cases when it was decided to be intentional. | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 13:04 | comment | added | Daenyth | @Hackworth: I think either I'm misremembering or it's changed; I thought prereleases were at a lower REL still than FNM's Regular. Carry on | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 13:03 | comment | added | Hackworth | @Daenyth Regular REL is the lowest REL, with COmpetitive and Professional above it, and I did write that cheating is met with disqualification at any REL. | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 13:03 | comment | added | kasperd | @Hackworth Only the person who did it knows if it was done deliberately or not. When in doubt the organizer might assume it was done unintentionally. | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 12:55 | comment | added | Hackworth | @kasperd OP specifically asked about "deliberately" violating the rules. That is known as cheating. | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 12:55 | comment | added | Daenyth | This answer could be improved by noting that this applies to REL Regular and above, and you could talk about how the IPG recommends handling it at lower REL | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 12:49 | comment | added | kasperd | This address the case where it is done intentionally. Since there could be cases where it is unclear whether it was done intentionally, it could be useful to include any rules specifying what will happen if it was done unintentionally. | |
| Feb 18, 2016 at 9:24 | vote | accept | Ivo | ||
| Feb 18, 2016 at 9:22 | history | answered | Hackworth | CC BY-SA 3.0 |