I cast a spell that would destroy my opponent's face down creature, and in response she flipped it to trigger its flip effect. Can she do that? I thought you could only do that as a Flip Summon during your Main Phase.
asked Jan 22, 2018 at 20:42
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No, she cannot.
Monsters are only flipped face up under certain conditions:
- Flip summon - a flip summon during the main phase, like you describe in your question.
- Damage step - During the battle phase when a face down defense position monster is attacked.
- Resolving an effect - When an effect specifically instructs to flip a monster face up, or instructs you to change a face down monster into attack position, which requires the monster become face up.
Can she do that?
As per your description, No.
The reason is that probably the card you used to destroy that face down monster, does the destruction without flipping the monster, contrary to, say, attacking the monster (where it then would indeed flip).
Therefore, no flip effect is activated, as the card didn't actually flip.
As we can see from the Flip effect ruling, this only activates if the monster is flipped (by attack, summon or other effect):
This kind of effect activates when the Flip monster is flipped face-up (by battle, a Flip Summon, or a card effect).
answered Jan 22, 2018 at 20:49
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1Sure, I was targeting her 4-Starred Ladybug of Doom with my Shield Crush. We weren't sure if cards that said
FLIP: [Do something.]could be flipped at any time, like an activated ability in MTG (if you know MTG). Our Mtg knowledge is both helping and hurting us with Yu gi oh, lol. Reworded, I wasn't sure if theFLIP: [Do something.]was basically just a triggered ability attached to its flip summon, or if it was an option to flip at other times. Commented Jan 22, 2018 at 21:24 -
1@Aerovistae with those cards then my answer holds. Shield Crush destroys the Ladybug without flipping it. "Flip" effects only activate when the card is flipped (either with a Flip Summon, being attacked before damage calculation, or well some card effect that flips face up). In other words, it does not activate that "ability" as it does not meet the criteria needed for it to activate (that is, to be flipped). enhancing answer Commented Jan 22, 2018 at 21:27
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2@Aerovistae - I see the confustion, MTG writes activated effects like that, in this case this is the equivalent of a triggered effect in MTG, where flip is the trigger.– AndrewCommented Jan 22, 2018 at 21:30
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@Aerovistae yup, as Andrew said, that would be the equivalence. Furthermore, the "activated" abilities here in YGO could be similar to what is known as Continuous Effects, which most of the time don't need a trigger or cause for it to activate, as they are constantly active when face up on the field or when another condition is met for that specific effect. Commented Jan 22, 2018 at 21:34
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1@Aerovistae interesting, probably doing MTG-YGO equivalences is not a great idea haha, but does help to understand better. And yeah, seems that Konami preferred to give more detail to the rulebook and less to the cards, assuming the player knows a great deal of the Rulebook (instead of being more explicit on the cards)... But :) its part of learning I guess. I must suggest you try to keep those MTG analogies to a minimum, as they may confuse you more than they can help I think. Cheers Commented Jan 22, 2018 at 21:42