3

"Five card majors" is the foundation of the Standard American system. Yet rules are made to be broken under special circumstances.

My understanding is that some bidders will adhere to "five card majors" in first and second position, but bid good four card majors (say, KQxx or better) in third and fourth position. The rationale appears to be that if your partner has already passed, you are the "captain" of the team, and the cost of misleading partner is less than if partner hadn't spoken. In this case, partner may use the Drury convention to find out if you are bidding a four or five card major.

Another variation I've heard is that "five card majors" must apply to hearts, but need not apply to spades (with or without the third and fourth seat variation referred to above). The reason is that a bid of x spades beats out a bid of x hearts, but you need to go to x+1 hearts to beat out an x spades bid. So there is a greater need of the fifth card in hearts.

Which experts or variations basically follow Standard American but allow deviations from "five card majors" under particular circumstances?

2
  • 1
    Note that you don't need a Drury variant that specifically identifies that you have a 4 card major -- just a simple "2C means a maximum passed hand with support and opener's rebid of spades means shut up" is enough to cover both shorter-than-expected suits and 5-card suits with subminimum count.
    – hunter
    Commented Apr 3, 2014 at 15:53
  • @hunter: Yes, I would consider a "5 card major" consisting of say, 97532 weaker than the typical four card major.
    – Tom Au
    Commented Apr 3, 2014 at 16:17

3 Answers 3

3

First, note that playing 4-card majors an opening of 1 Heart or 1 Spade is about 80% likely to be on a five card or longer suit. Thus players of a 4-card major system are already almost playing five-card majors. Bridge theorists and players for the past century have determined that even this slight difference in probability (80% vs 100% for a f+ card bid suit) is significant enough to require a significantly different tool kit for accurate bidding.

That said, there is then one simple pre-requisite for bending the always shows five or more cards rule:

  1. You have no desire to ever play with this partner again, or with any opponent or kibitzer present.

The only exception to the above is when all of the above conditions are met:

  • You are in 3rd seat.
  • You do not have a no-trumpish hand.
  • You have thoroughly discussed with partner the circumstances and hand types which make this bid, and even more importantly those which do not make this bid, and properly summarized those on your convention card.
  • You are playing a Drury variant which allows responder to inquire on suit length and hand strength.
5
  • What about the "rule of 15?" bridgeguys.com/Conventions/Rule15.html It says to bid one spade in fourth seat with four spades and 11 hcps because you have the "boss" suit.
    – Tom Au
    Commented Mar 30, 2014 at 1:39
  • @TomAu: The Rule of Fifteen is a guideline for judging the advisability of opening in Fourth Seat, based on the likelihood that your side can outbid the opponents in a partial. It is not advice on when your spade length/quality is sufficient to open 1 Spade; that is a matter of partnership understanding. The only absolute in bidding is that there are no absolutes; but take heed on the consequences of your actions. Commented Mar 30, 2014 at 1:43
  • If you want to buy these auctions cheaply in Fourth Seat based on balance of power and a 4 card spade suit, why are you not playing and opening a Weak Notrump? Commented Mar 30, 2014 at 1:44
  • It goes back to this question, that I would be more inclined to bend the rules with a part score, than with love all. boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/14644/…. That includes your suggestion of a weak NT. That's in a "good" game. But your answer to the earlier question was practical; against weak opponents, "tighten up" in a partial and let them hang themselves.
    – Tom Au
    Commented Mar 30, 2014 at 1:52
  • @TomAu: If you want to play a really aggressive system, check out Barry Crane's system notes:bridgeguys.com/pdf/FrenchBarryCraneSN.pdf. The key to a successful fast-in system is to also have a very good understanding on how to likewise get fast-out. You will lose slam precision, but that rarely interfered with Crane's success. Commented Mar 30, 2014 at 2:15
1

You basically have it right, that some people are willing open good 4-card majors with weakish hands, particularly in 3rd chair, as it is more preemptive than opening a minor, and Drury allows you to stay low. In my experience, there is no consensus on how frequently to do this in third chair.

Only once have I ever seen a player playing 5 card majors open a 4-card major in 1st or 2nd seat... and I never found out whether that was intentional. In fact, the current expert trend is toward opening 1NT with hands that are in range (a good 14 to 17) with 5332 hands... so if anything, the trend is in the other direction.

I think the basic reason for the 5332 trend is that 1NT is more frequently achieved as a contract when you open a minor or 1NT, and 1NT is frequently the best contract, especially at Matchpoints.

More frequent is to see somebody overcalling with a 4 card major, on a suit like AKxx or KQTx. Again, in such a situation, the disruptive effect can outweigh the "lie" that you are telling, although generally speaking partnerships are on the same page about whether they are willing to overcall on 4 card suits.

3
  • Left to my own devices, I'd be inclined to open, as well as overcall, a four card major with a solid suit like KQTx. IMHO, it's worth a full trick more than a "broken" suit like KJxx, which is why I need the fifth card to open with the latter.
    – Tom Au
    Commented Apr 6, 2014 at 22:51
  • Definitely with you on the overcalling front. One concern in competitive play is that unless you are alerting your bids as 4-card majors, it may be considered unethical to repeatedly open 4 card majors without disclosing that it's something you do. Commented Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33
  • @DrewHoskins I think the reason for the 5332 trend is more likely that when you can't hold a balanced 15-16 HCP for a 1M opening, some rebids become more descriptive. So, for example, after 1H-1NT, my 2NT rebid shows 18+.
    – ruds
    Commented Jul 4, 2014 at 21:41
-1

In "Bid Better, Play Better," the late Dorothy Hayden Truscott wrote, "The five card major restriction applies only to opening first and second hand bids." Ms. Truscott passed away in 2006, so the most recent 2019 edition of her book has been edited, and presumably vetted, by others.

The reason is, in third hand, you often open with "shaded" values as a semi-preemptive move against fourth hand. If you have such values opposite a passed partner, you have little fear of missing game and the difference between the fourth and fifth card in the suit doesn't mean as much. Given that you may "shade" your point count in third position, you may also shade suit length if you are making a bid that shuts out the two minor one level bids, and also indicates a good suit lead in the likely event that fourth hand becomes declarer.

3
  • 1
    Hayden-Truscott's book was written in 1966. That's 16 years before the first edition of Max Hardy's Two Over One Game Force", while Walsh on the west coast and the duo of Kaplan-Sheinwold in New York were still working out the kinks in a natural Five-Card Majors system with respectively strong and weak 1NT openings. It's two years before the Dallas Aces are formed, and established that the system to become **Two Over One was capable of competing with Blue and Precision Club. Hayden-Truscott is one of the true greats of the game - but her thoughts on this in 1966 are irrelevant. Commented Dec 25, 2022 at 3:35
  • @ForgetIwaseverhere:I got this from the 20219 version, edited (I believe) by Audrey Grant. Admittedly the original was written in 1966, and Hayden died in 2006, but it's hard for me to believe that editors would leave it in if it were no longer relevant. More to the point, you YOURSELF said to open KJxx of spades 1 spade in the third or fourth seat and teach your partner to use Drury as a checkback. boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/13699/…. Don't understand why you downvote your own advice.
    – Tom Au
    Commented Dec 25, 2022 at 4:42
  • @Forget: I have unaccepted your earlier response referenced in the previous comment (and decreased your score) because of its contradiction with your comment above. I will "re-accept" your answer if you remove the above comment and (presumed) downvote. Alternatively, if you favor your recent comment and forswear your earlier answer by deleting it, I will follow your lead and delete the above post, based on your latest guidance. Your choice.
    – Tom Au
    Commented Dec 26, 2022 at 18:43

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .