Sarkhan the Masterless has the ability:

+1: Until end of turn, each planeswalker you control becomes a 4/4 red Dragon creature and gains flying.

There is a ruling associated with this Sarkhan that says:

Once Sarkhan’s first loyalty ability has resolved, each planeswalker you control (including Sarkhan) is no longer a planeswalker for the rest of the turn. They don’t lose any loyalty counters or abilities, and you can still activate their loyalty abilities if you haven’t done so yet this turn. They don’t lose loyalty if they’re dealt damage while they’re not planeswalkers.

Question: I was under the impression that rulings are all derivable from the comprehensive rules, but I can find no rules reference to "back up" this ruling.

The ruling makes sense to me, if a planeswalker is a creature, you don't want it to start losing loyalty counters for being in combat, but the above ruling makes it seem that Sarkhan has removed the "planeswalker" type from the planeswalkers. Which comprehensive rule supports that statement? I was unable to find it.

Note: This question is similar to: What are the ramifications of turning a planeswalker into a creature?, but it is different. In that question, it appears the creatures maintain their planeswalker status, where as Sarkhan removes it. So, ideally, an answer could address why in that context planeswalkers remain planeswalkers, while Sarkhan removes planeswalker status.


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It is rule 205.1a:

205.1a Some effects set an object’s card type. In such cases, the new card type(s) replaces any existing card types. Counters, effects, and damage marked on the object remain with it, even if they are meaningless to the new card type. Similarly, when an effect sets one or more of an object’s subtypes, the new subtype(s) replaces any existing subtypes from the appropriate set (creature types, land types, artifact types, enchantment types, planeswalker types, or spell types). If an object’s card type is removed, the subtypes correlated with that card type will remain if they are also the subtypes of a card type the object currently has; otherwise, they are also removed for the entire time the object’s card type is removed. Removing an object’s subtype doesn’t affect its card types at all.

This is why certain other cards like Blinkmoth Nexus, when they change type, have to include "it's still a land", for example, when the ability is made to retain the existing type. Or alternatively "in addition to its other types" in the case of something like Liquimetal Coating.

There is also an exception for when the type is set to "artifact creature":

205.1b [...] Some effects state that an object becomes an “artifact creature”; these effects also allow the object to retain all of its prior card types and subtypes. Some effects state that an object becomes a “[creature type or types] artifact creature”; these effects also allow the object to retain all of its prior card types and subtypes other than creature types, but replace any existing creature types.

So if you use Karn, Silver Golem's ability on an artifact land, it would be an artifact land creature afterwards.

Final note about activating the Loyalty Ability of a planeswalker that is no longer a planeswalker; it's allowed normally because the rules for Loyalty Abilities don't restrict or limit them to planeswalkers in any way; nothing stops a creature or any other non-planeswalker from having Loyalty Abilities:

606.2. An activated ability with a loyalty symbol in its cost is a loyalty ability. Normally, only planeswalkers have loyalty abilities.

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    @John No, the difference is that in the case in that question; the object is both a creature and a planeswalker. This is because of the exception I mention to "artifact creature"; March of the Machines will not cause the planeswalker to stop being a planeswalker.
    – GendoIkari
    Commented Jan 12, 2021 at 22:31

This is correct, Sarkhan makes them lose the Planeswalker type when that ability resolves. This is because Sarkhan says the planeswalkers become a 4/4 dragon with flying - This means that these objects that used to be planeswalkers are now just what Sarkan's ability says they are, a Creature - Dragon. This is different from say Gideon Jura who specifically specifies that it keeps being a planeswalker.

Things like this are seen more often in lands, like Crawling Barrens, where it says it's still a land. Another similar example to Sarkhan is Blood Moon specifies that the lands become mountains, and doesn't say it keeps anything else, so Mountains, is all they are compared to Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth's making lands swamps "in addition to its other types".

The reason they won't lose loyalty is because, since they are now just creatures, they no longer are subject to rule 306.8:

306.8. Damage dealt to a planeswalker results in that many loyalty counters being removed from it.

The Gideon planeswalkers do this by having specific prevent all damage done to him effects while he is a creature. If something like Stomp were played, turning that damage prevention off, Gideon would lose loyalty as a Creature Planeswalker again.

  • So, if somehow Sarkham was an artifact, (say from "Agent Mutation") when his ability is activated, he now is no longer an artifact, because the text of the loyalty ability is to be interpreted as completely specifying his types?
    – John
    Commented Jan 12, 2021 at 19:55
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    The best rule to quote here is 205.1a, which starts by saying "Some effects set an object’s card type. In such cases, the new card type(s) replaces any existing card types." So yes, it doesn't matter why Sarkhan has types other than creature, it loses those types when it becomes a creature.
    – murgatroid99
    Commented Jan 12, 2021 at 20:05
  • @John thats when things like layers and timestamps come in to play. Argent mutation would be overwritten by sarkhan's effect because of that, but of mycosynth lattice was out, the walkers would still be artifacts.
    – Andrew
    Commented Jan 12, 2021 at 22:08
  • @Andrew, I think rule 205.1a gets at the core issues I was having. Thanks.
    – John
    Commented Jan 12, 2021 at 22:12

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